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Cyclone Field 360-Android version

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I gotta say that I am very much liking the Android version of Field 360. Been using it about our last 4 outside non-building jobs with my Samsung phone.
So much better to handle in the field, change settings in the scanner on the fly if need be, and trigger high tripod scans (everything else we always "push button")
The new "Pre-align with previous scan" option has some great new algorithms that do a great job of automatically pre-aligning scans from the BLK360, a machine with no VIS or GPS and a rudimentary IMU. I have very rarely had to manipulate, rotate of tilt a new setup before I can Optimize to create a link if their are any kind of planes in the scanner range at all.
I am wondering whether there is a way to get the scans off the android device without wiFi -similar to the ethernet version on the iOS that some have touted and I have tried in the past. The Samsung is 5G capable and I have a fast mesh network in my workspace but I'm wondering about a direct USB C to USB-C or USB-3 Connection to Register 360. it seems like the software is just not made to do this (an ongoing unbelievably frustrating thing after 5 years of this software). Even better is if Leica would make their software operate in a Peer to Peer (P2P) mode without the need to pass through any wifi network at all.
All I could find on the internet was this https://android.stackexchange.com/quest ... d-over-otg
Any Android programmers out there?
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Re: Cyclone Field 360-Android version

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i was introduced to laser scaning about year and half ago. i got a BLK360 and a Samsung tablet (android) with Field360 app. they told me about the push button option, but I went straight to the tablet.

I have been using this setup since then. I just got a latest Samsung tablet with plenty of storage space and good enough graphic chip. I works like a charm.

I don't really understand why someone says the work flow is not fast enough and workers get distracted by using the device. For me it works the oposite way. I register the scans while the scaner does its job. I can see right away if the C2C has enough ovelap. I can see how much I have done and if I have missed a room. The pre-align function works great. There is really not much time to play around with the tablet, when you have a job to do.

Then I just sync the tablet with my workstation and the 5G network in the office is just fine. I thing our workstations are powerfull enough, that you can import data from Field360, watch a move and draw in AutoCAD at the same time.

For me scan and register in the filed it the way to go.
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Re: Cyclone Field 360-Android version

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As for blk the biggest issue is that it is slower to transmit the data then creating the setup, so you end up less scan for a day. If you only scan a small house or something like that. It soes not matter but if you create 80-90 setup a day then it will be hard to realize that wasted time in the field where everybody just complaining why are you there.

You can register 100 setup easily in 1-2 hour at the office. You will work higher density scans at the office and have the power of a pc where you can run more complex algorithms.

Field to Export is just not viable if you care about quality at all. (It is like gambling. And you believe the software did not create ANY mistake)

As RJGEOMATICS usually say field links more like sketches. Not registered cloud.
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I'm back on this thread because I finally just allowed my Laptop to take on a VERY SMALL scan project in New Reg 360 v 2022.0.1
(* Exterior High Res Scans with HDR imagery) Doing some sample imports to see what bugs were really fixed (Quite a list in the release notes)

Because I still haven't found a way to direct import through a USB-C cable from the Android I ran it over a home Wifi that was probably pretty slow (Compared to the 1GB down & up network at work.) I was out of town and this is what i had to work with. 150mbs down 12mbs up


It took about 88 minutes total for this (could tell from the time stamp on the first DB created file to the last created asset file in the encrypted database location.)
The 8 threads on my Lenovo 8GB RAM were running at basically 70-100% according to the resource monitor with nothing else running open

Is this just the import speed of the laptop/software over the Wifi network or is there something else missing?. I'm not a computer processing geek so I don't always know what exactly the software is doing, except that I can see it is writing each setup into the database, probably coloring the cloud and importing the Field 360 "pre-alignment " links to at least place everything adjacent and very close to it's finalized position to allow further desktop C2C to reduce time to optimize and add more links. I imported it with only "Pre-registered" and import images checked. (Since Field 360 is doing a horizontal & Vertical pre-alignment and optimizing (a great speed up from the iPAD version I was using and less distracting) but the import to the Android was just to slow in the field for a Hi-Res scan.
The slice was reasonable considering the Field 360 algorithms and my field process (.03-.05' alignment)

My links showed up but after import this is what I had
Import From Android Fld360.JPG
I'm thinking if I had USB-C Speed to upload we would be looking at a different story, but not sure how much of a throttle the 8GB RAM and wifi really provide considering the work the processing threads were doing.
This was a extremely minimum computing case I realize (the program and the temp file space was on the same SSD laptop drive) I had 56 GB free when starting.


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Re: Cyclone Field 360-Android version

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If you import from field project then disable autocloud during import... you don't need preregistered.


8 setup with 80 min is pretty slow. Usually a single blk setup imports in 60 second. Autocloud for this kind of setup number should not be that much. 8GB of ram might be an issue but if it is not crashing then i suppose it is ok.

Ssd does not matter a lot...

Tablet only needed until all the setups are imported.so you don't need it after it finds links.

We never use field with the blk360. It'slow down the scanning time on the field, and slow down the import... we just download the *.blk files from the device with datamanager and then import that.
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badam wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:54 am If you import from field project then disable autocloud during import... you don't need preregistered.


8 setup with 80 min is pretty slow. Usually a single blk setup imports in 60 second. Autocloud for this kind of setup number should not be that much. 8GB of ram might be an issue but if it is not crashing then i suppose it is ok.

Ssd does not matter a lot...

Tablet only needed until all the setups are imported.so you don't need it after it finds links.

We never use field with the blk360. It'slow down the scanning time on the field, and slow down the import... we just download the *.blk files from the device with datamanager and then import that.
Yes, Adam we follow basically the same routine. I have found it too slow to download and use it more as a field confirmation.
I never initiate Scans from the Phone, unless I need to crank the tripod up for a high scan and can't reach the push button. It has been unreliable for me and I just usually push button and then initiate download onto the device immediately while rolling to the next setup location (usually every 50-60' outside). I can usually push button start a new scan while it finished a download and with the new pre-align w/ last scan automated option and don't even need to look at it once it has done that. I can optimize and see that everything works in the field.
I thought I'd go through the whole process this time with the new version just to see the truth about the download time.
THEY NEED A USB-C DOWNLOAD OPTION FROM FIELD 360. this IS the missing piece. The download time is unsustainable for the BLK360, but it is very helpful for the field. Even on my Workstation at work the wifi download is unbearable and our older BLK is not eligible for a USB direct download.
The workflow is broken now. They never really thought through the BLK360 workflow from field to finish . Started with ACAD Recap Pro to BLK Data manager/Reg 360 to Field 360-Patched in BLK360 on an RTC360 product, etc then patched on the P series to Field 360......
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Re: Cyclone Field 360-Android version

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I've never used it but I think with an android device you can always use a usb to ethernet adapter without any hassle... Android/app will only see that as a network device just like any wifi. but i think it is not slow because of network.

But as I've told you that don't use any autocloud/pre-registered options during import from field. You showed a screenshot where it tries to find links and that can be slow and that is unnecessary when you are working with field projects or vis aligned setups.
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I'm resurrecting this topic since we are preparing to purchase a second RTC360. We currently run our RTC with a Samsung Galaxy Tab S8, and it works well, but it is a little too big to slip into our vest pocket easily. We are also working outside, often in the elements (PNW), and the S8 is not really built for it. We are looking at a smaller rugged tablet such as the Galaxy Tab Active 3 or the new/upcoming DT Research 8" android tablet. I'm curious if anyone has experience with the Active3 tablet or any other "smaller" tablet that has worked well for you with Field360 and the RTC360. We do not rely on the registration within Field360, but simply use it as a remote tool to operate the scanner, tag targets and other items, and take notes.
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I use a Active tab3 and have just purchased a second. a great little tablet, we added a small rugged case with strap and hand hold. works a treat
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Good to hear! Do you use the S-pen with the Active Tab3 much? We use it quite often with our S8 for note taking and marking up photos. It is very fluid and smooth and I'm curious how well it functions with the Tab3. Also, do you have any issues with storage space on the Tab3?
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