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Why Matterport sucks

Post by cbaze » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:42 pm

From their EULA at https://matterport.com/legal/terms-of-service-2/ (underlining by me):
PROPRIETARY RIGHTS OF MATTERPORT

6.1. Reservation of Rights. All rights in the Matterport 3D Vision System not expressly granted to You are reserved by Matterport, including, but not limited to, the unrestricted right to grant access to the Matterport Cloud to any third party in any form anywhere. Nothing in this Agreement is intended by the parties to constitute a sale of the software underlying the Matterport 3D Vision System or the Documentation, or any derivatives thereof. Matterport reserves the right to modify the Matterport 3D Vision System at any time in Matterport’s discretion.

6.2. Title. The Matterport 3D Vision System (including the underlying software) and the Documentation are the valuable proprietary information and property of Matterport and its licensors. All right, title, and interest (including all copyright, patent rights, and other intellectual property rights) in and to the Matterport 3D Vision System and the Documentation, and all derivatives thereof, shall remain with Matterport and its licensors. You acknowledge the ownership and intellectual property rights of Matterport and will not take any action to jeopardize, limit or interfere in any manner with such ownership or other rights.
In summary, when you buy a Matterport scanner, you basically become their employee! Data cannot be processed outside of their cloud services, and as soon as you upload anything, it becomes theirs. If you discontinue your paid subscription (which is the only way to access all of your data since you cannot download the spherical images), Matterport keeps your data anyway and continues to use it for their benefit.

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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by Phil Marsh » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:25 pm

I wonder how this will effect this partnership...

https://leica-geosystems.com/about-us/n ... matterport
The partnership is focused on integrating the new Leica BLK360 imaging laser scanner and encompassing Multivista’s construction progress documentation services into Matterport’s cloud-based platform. The solution is expected to offer an easy, flexible and automated way of capturing detailed images and using the resulting data to create immersive 3D visualisations.

“With our new partnership with Matterport, combined with our recent acquisition of Multivista, we are fulfilling our commitment to supporting the AEC industry and bringing the sector added value,” said Hexagon Geosystems President Juergen Dold. “As AEC professionals continue to progress their work in the Design, Build and Maintain (DBM) lifecycle, we are there with them supplying the solutions they need to achieve their goals. With this latest offering, these professionals can now easily visualise their projects to shape the change needed in a digital reality for real world advancements, leading to reduced costs and increased time savings.”

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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by bdawood » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:36 pm

Wow, knowing that, I know now what to avoid. That really sucks

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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by Andy H » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:57 pm

Interesting reading. Cloud services are always going to require looking into. Buyer beware......


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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by Attreyu » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:38 pm

They suck anyway. Their "scanner" is just a 360 camera and the 3D model is compiled using photogrammetry on the cloud.

Don't be fooled into thinking that the 3D model is looking nearly as good as they'd want you to believe by looking at those 360 panoramas, because even they are using those photos to texture the 3D model, it looks incredibily bad, full of holes and mismatched textures.

So if you only need a nice 360 panorama, you can do it with your smartphone, because it's exactly what the Matterport camera is doing anyway.

And for that shitty 3D model you could use Photoscan to compile the 3D model from the panoramas, with the same results.

So do yourself a favour and if you are after nice 3D models with nice texures on top, the ONLY solution is to buy/rent a 3D scanner from Faro, Leica and the rest of the guys.

The rest of these companies are just pulling off marketing stunts.
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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by NOVAMECH » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:14 pm

Anything like this should be avoided like the PLAGUE - Same with AUTODESK products. I wanted to move over there. However, all products are now subscription based. SO - your business hits a CASH FLOW issue or you stop trading for a while, downsize. HOW do you access YEAR's and YEARS of data. I have been in business for 18 years. Ex clients (they are never ex) still call me up - asking for stuff from 10 or more years ago. DO NOT BUY THESE PRODUCTS - WHAT EVER THE CARROT THEY OFFER YOU IS. YOU WILL BECOME THERE - slave. For eternity. They will milk you like a COW. They longer you are in this system the larger the PRICE you will pay for - walking away. DON'T GO THERE.

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Post by Scott » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:34 pm

NOVAMECH wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:14 pm
Anything like this should be avoided like the PLAGUE - Same with AUTODESK products. I wanted to move over there. However, all products are now subscription based. SO - your business hits a CASH FLOW issue or you stop trading for a while, downsize. HOW do you access YEAR's and YEARS of data. I have been in business for 18 years. Ex clients (they are never ex) still call me up - asking for stuff from 10 or more years ago. DO NOT BUY THESE PRODUCTS - WHAT EVER THE CARROT THEY OFFER YOU IS. YOU WILL BECOME THERE - slave. For eternity. They will milk you like a COW. They longer you are in this system the larger the PRICE you will pay for - walking away. DON'T GO THERE.
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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by tbwester » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:15 am

its a slick service. not for all applications use cases or users.

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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by Metroplex360 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:35 am

Attreyu wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:38 pm
They suck anyway. Their "scanner" is just a 360 camera and the 3D model is compiled using photogrammetry on the cloud.

Don't be fooled into thinking that the 3D model is looking nearly as good as they'd want you to believe by looking at those 360 panoramas, because even they are using those photos to texture the 3D model, it looks incredibily bad, full of holes and mismatched textures.

So if you only need a nice 360 panorama, you can do it with your smartphone, because it's exactly what the Matterport camera is doing anyway.

And for that shitty 3D model you could use Photoscan to compile the 3D model from the panoramas, with the same results.

So do yourself a favour and if you are after nice 3D models with nice texures on top, the ONLY solution is to buy/rent a 3D scanner from Faro, Leica and the rest of the guys.

The rest of these companies are just pulling off marketing stunts.
I joined this forum to clear up some misinformation.

Matterport uses IR to create the 3D model, not photogrammetry.

Matterport are indeed using the textures to texture the 3D model - however, the holes are due to operator error. Textures are not mismatched from my experience and we have shot over 900 scans. There are tools for filling in holes caused by windows and mirrors.

Also worth noting is that the 3D model that is visible on 'Showcase', Matterport's web-based player, is a low quality version. High quality point clouds are also available.

If we go ahead and conclude that Matterport does not offer the quality needed for certain jobs wherein a Faro / Leica / Effortless is more appropriate, then I would like to propose that Matterport is an effective tool if and when speed is desired for documentation purposes. There's open discussion as to accuracy of IR scanning vs. laser. Certainly laser is more accurate, however, it's subjective to how much accuracy is required too.

Matterport is quite a useful tool and we love using it in conjunction with our BLK360.

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Re: Why Matterport sucks

Post by ClarkCoSheriff » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:30 pm

It's really unfortunate that the user is not the owner of the data and cannot process it themselves. Matterport presented last year at IAFSM and I think they have cool product. I could see some great uses for it, such as "scanning" schools or other public places, creating preplans for law enforcement who are responding to an active shooter situation. However, you are right in that it really doesn't replace scanning and the fact that we could have sensitive law enforcement data in the hands of a third party is basically impossible to accept. Maybe something will change in the future.
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